Warning for Virginia Drivers

[make_your_move]

Thanks to divinerose for the link!

If you live in or drive in VA regularly ... you might want to read this It's not a good thing.

Comments

[belthazar-b.livejournal.com]

Well, shit.

[fatesfolly.livejournal.com]

ditto

[shadeofnight.livejournal.com]

Another reason I am very happy to not live in VA, and have no plans anytime soon to do so.

So this really only effects people who live in VA, as the civic fees do not apply to out of state. To quote :

Drivers from out of state will not be penalized by the civil system of fees because “the state can not go beyond its borders to collect the (civil) fees,” said Moore. “These fees are for Virginia residents and those with a permit listing a Virginia address.”

[orlacarey.livejournal.com]

Thanks for pointing this out. I was all set to be really depressed. Now I'm just unhappy for my Va friends. Plus feeling that this is another reason NOT to live in Va.

[belthazar-b.livejournal.com]

Yahoo! Pedle to the metal baby!:)

[diekonigin.livejournal.com]

That's nuts. PA has fairly reasonable fines. NJ is insane in terms of what they do to people when they take a ticket to court. An ADA comes in and helps them plead guilty to a lesser offense with a GIGANTIC several hundred dollar fine, sans points and insult to their insurance policy. I sat in court one afternoon watching that mess and was truly horrified at the debacle.

[make-your-move.livejournal.com]

There are times I question the sanity of this state.

[alex-wench.livejournal.com]

yet another joy of this blasted "commonwealth"

*sigh*

They get us comin' or goin' don't they?

lol

[raucuspc.livejournal.com]

I went on a visit to the Virginia DMV today and they were closed because their computer system stopped working state wide. I had to drive there to find that snippet of info out as there was no mention of this on the website I checked just before leaving home despite the system having been down all day. Ahhhh!

[elkor.livejournal.com]

there was no mention of this on the website I checked just before leaving home despite the system having been down all day.

Well, their systems were down, so they couldn't update the website.

DuH!

[camperamy.livejournal.com]

We(VA) voted for this?
Someone voted for this someplace...or we allowed someone to vote for this...

Well..teh suck!

[russell-moore.livejournal.com]

no baby, we had no say ... the knuckleheads we elected are who thought going Traffic Nazi was in our best interest

[russell-moore.livejournal.com]

I have many mixed feelings about this ... the idea of it being created to help stop knucklehead drunk drivers is a good one ... but then of course they go overboard (like fining a passenger for something the driver did, and the bullshit about adult movies being seen by others outside the vehicle).

I also dispute their bullshit about how it can legally impact Virginia drivers only. Regular traffic fines for tickets must be paid by all, so these fines should apply to everyone or no one. How is fining someone breaking a traffic law in the state over stepping their bounds just because of where the person lives?

As usual, our elected elite took the initial makings of a good idea and ran full speed with it in the wrong direction. Assholes.

I am Not A Lawyer

[elkor.livejournal.com]

Because these are "civil fines" not "Traffic Fines."

If they were legal fines/fees, then someone could make an argument about "cruel and unusual punishment" (comparing the fees against other states, the fact that they are charged over a period of years, etc).

But, since they are civil fines, it may be harder to make that case.

How is fining someone breaking a traffic law in the state over stepping their bounds just because of where the person lives?

Because the portion accrued in year 2 and 3 is being handled by a collection agency. In order to collect, the agency (for this purpose "An Agent of the State") would have to cross state lines to collect the fines.

The state can't tell the agency to do that.

[cz_unit]

Sorry you live in VA. You could come to a free state, like MD...

CZ

[dukedom63.livejournal.com]

Ahh...Such is life in the great Communistwealth of VA.

Fuckers

One word:

[sierra-victor.livejournal.com]

Ow!

S_V